EP #12: From Law to Life: Barton Henderson’s Entrepreneurial Journey
In this episode of Healthy Wealth, host Chris Hall speaks with Barton Henderson, an attorney turned entrepreneur, about the intersection of health and wealth. They discuss the importance of maintaining health while pursuing financial success, Barton’s journey from law school to building a successful business, and the value of networking and community support. Barton shares insights on alternative investments, the significance of men’s groups, and the impact of nutrition and toxins on health. The conversation also delves into misconceptions about cholesterol and statins, emphasizing the need for informed health decisions.
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Transcription:
Chris Hall (00:01.67)
Hello and welcome to Healthy Wealth by Reading Financial Advisors. I am Chris Hall. I’m your host. I also run Reading Financial Advisors. And also I am so excited to talk to you about my next guest, Barton Henderson. And he has a lot of really cool stuff to talk about today, but I’m going to go ahead and let him introduce himself. So Barton, thank you for being on the show. Tell us a little bit about yourself.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (00:27.31)
Chris, great talking. You know, one thing I really like about your podcast is that you’ve got various topics, right? You’re not just talking about investing. You’re not just talking about health, but you go back and forth. Because sometimes I’ve got a lot of podcasts I listen to. Just the same thing over and over can get old, but I love to see the various topics that you’re hitting and helping people get better in different areas of life. So, yeah.
Chris Hall (00:53.158)
Thank you. Yeah, that was actually one of the reasons I, sorry, that was one of the reasons I changed it to healthy wealth. Because like, I didn’t want to just talk about, you know, stocks and bonds and mutual funds the entire time. But there is a lot of truth to the idea that you’re not really truly wealthy unless you’re also healthy to go with it. So that’s why like health is
Barton Henderson, Esq. (00:59.404)
Yeah.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (01:11.928)
Totally, totally. That’s big one that we talk about all the time, which is you look at some of the men in our men’s networks who are very successful and it’s not that they became financially successful and then started working out.
Chris Hall (01:17.851)
Yeah.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (01:29.654)
and things of that nature rather, it’s they’ve had that kind of mentality of health throughout their lives and just bring that into other areas of lives as well, right? Because it gives you the energy and things you need to get all that done. But quick intro of myself, I guess. I’m a father, a husband, that’s kind of the things that I associate with most. On top of that, I’m an attorney, angel investor.
Chris Hall (01:38.31)
Right.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (01:54.094)
I run Agora Guild, which is our men’s network, which really brings me the most amount of passion nowadays. But really just love connecting with great people, connecting the dots and helping people elevate in whatever area of life it might be really.
Chris Hall (02:08.39)
I love that. That actually seems to be kind of a theme for me lately is the men’s groups and like the having the accountability partners and things like that. So I have a really good friend kind of turned me on to a couple of people in his group. And just, know, having that ability to have people that talk to who kind of have a vested interest in you, but aren’t necessarily your boss is a kind of a cool idea. And I definitely want to dig into that. But before we get kind of going in that direction,
Barton Henderson, Esq. (02:13.998)
Okay.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (02:22.094)
Mm-hmm.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (02:30.99)
Yeah.
Chris Hall (02:36.538)
Tell us a little bit about how you said you’re earlier before we started, you’re not really practicing law at the I’m like as a like a practice, but you’re consulting things like that. Tell us how someone as young as yourself has kind of already been able to move on and do other things as far as investing in men’s groups and stuff like that.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (02:46.444)
Right. Yep.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (02:56.258)
Yeah, so, you know, when I went to law school, was a JD MBA. So at least I knew I wanted to get my MBA as well. So I was always more business minded than law minded. And I wasn’t quite sure where I wanted to go. But throughout all of law school, I kept talking to so many attorneys who would say, you know, it’s not all it’s cracked up to be. You’re only, you know, not everybody’s in the courtroom. You’re usually behind your desk and you’re reading all day long and writing. And so,
Chris Hall (03:18.662)
Thank
Barton Henderson, Esq. (03:26.262)
You know, it’s not glamorous per se unless you make it that way. You’re going to be a trial attorney. And so before I got into law school, I was interning in the US Senate and I kind of made a promise to myself, which was I’m not going to just waste another three years of my life. In undergrad, I worked all throughout undergrad and I paid.
during undergrad, but I felt like those were four years of not yet starting a business, not yet moving forward the things in my life. And so I said, I’m only gonna go to law school if I can do something to push my life forward essentially. And so I said, all right, my kind of deal with myself is if I can figure out a company to start while I’m in law school, then I’ll do it. And so when I was much younger, 16, 17, I worked for a company that essentially
printed shirts and things like that and sold them to like TJ Maxx and Marshalls. They put like skulls on it and then sell them to TJ Maxx or whatever it might be or whatever the design was. And so I said you know I know this business that’s somewhere that I can go and so during law school I’d study all day I’d come home
At nighttime, I would print t-shirts in my kitchen. My wife has fond memories of me doing this. Go to bed and then wake up at 4 a.m. again to meet my study group at 5 a.m. and get right into it. And so I was doing that all throughout law school. And by the time I graduated, through the contracts I had gotten and sales and things like that, was pretty much making as much money as an attorney would have made. And I said, well, this is kind of…
This has a lot of potential so I’m gonna put my energy and time here. So I still went I took the bar I’m licensed in New York and New Jersey I do legal consulting I go into top firms in the US and I teach them about marketing networking how to pass the bar things of that nature, but
Barton Henderson, Esq. (05:22.446)
The company grew and grew and grew. My wife then took over the daily functions of it. And we got eventually, Inc. magazine’s top 10 fastest growing companies in the US, privately owned. And it just continued to take off from there. And that gave us a lot of other freedom to do other things. And so it was, you know, a little bit of hard work, a little bit of luck, a little bit of everything, you know?
Chris Hall (05:38.796)
That’s incredible.
Chris Hall (05:48.483)
That sounds like mostly hard work. 4 a.m. and then doing the stuff in your kitchen at night, that sounds like mostly hard work. You know, it’s like the old saying, the harder I work, the luckier I get. Yeah, nice. Well, that’s cool. So, and we had talked about investing. so traditionally, obviously, my listeners, for the most part, understand my concepts of investing. You know, we’re talking about, you know, 401ks and IRAs and…
Barton Henderson, Esq. (05:50.444)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, definitely a lot of that.
There you go. That’s it. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (06:12.718)
Mm-hmm.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (06:17.069)
Yep.
Chris Hall (06:17.19)
You know, things like that, mutual fund stocks, et cetera. But tell me a little bit more about like what you’re into, like how you are investing your money, because I know it’s a little bit more than the traditional sense.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (06:29.516)
Yeah, obviously neither of us are giving financial advice right now. I just want to put that out there. So the thing to note is before even going on to this investing, I think everybody needs the base that you’re talking about, right? Which is that base is different for everybody else, but it might be whole term life insurance policies, then mutual funds and stocks, then savings, other things. And then we talk about
Chris Hall (06:36.07)
Correct.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (06:58.862)
real estate and then we talk about other alternative investments, let’s say. But for those people who want to go there, I think alternative investing, angel investing, is a really awesome way to be able to control your investments to a degree and also have fun while doing it. So my wife and I do angel investing in all sorts of ventures, whether it’s from
golfing companies or liquor companies to landscaping companies to our biggest holdings are in gold and rare earth metal and silver mines in Colorado. And so and tons of other industries as well. But the point is we look for investing in companies that we can have some degree of control over. Now we’re not coming in and taking the controlling stake and managing the companies or anything like that.
But we want the ability to have some degree of control over the company. So if for instance, the S &P 500 takes a dive for three weeks, we’re not as affected by it because we’re able to control maybe an HVAC company because you’re working on the lead gen versus something that’s gonna affect it from an outside source. So, you know, I started doing one thing in my life and deal flow.
just started coming through the door at a rate that just, you can’t even imagine. I’ve worked with a lot of private equity and venture capital people, just friends and deals back and forth and things like that. And they’ll always say to me like, Bart, how do you get this deal flow? Like, I’ve never, how do you find out so many deals? And I tell them the same thing every time and it’s so, so simple. So, you know, Chris, I saw how involved you are in your community.
I saw all the different things you do. I love that. That’s a big pillar of what my wife and I do as well. So I commend you on getting involved and giving back in your community. But you’ll notice when you’re there, when you’re at an event, right? And let’s say it’s a networking event rather than, you you giving back to your football team or something like that. At a networking event, what’s the first thing everybody says to you? Like when they come to meet you. Boom. What do you do? Yeah, exactly. Right. So.
Chris Hall (09:03.728)
Thank you.
Chris Hall (09:18.406)
What do you do for a living? Yeah, what do you do for a living?
Barton Henderson, Esq. (09:24.802)
what I realized, and I don’t know, you know, I read a lot of books, I can’t pinpoint where I got this from. So I wish I could tell you the source. But what I realized was what’s really valuable is not just telling people what you do, but what you want as well. And so first off, I would say to people like, what do you do for fun? I wanna get to know them a little bit, right? Just a different thing rather than what do you do? And then,
at the end of them asking what I do, I would say, and I wanna do this more, whatever the thing might be. So for instance, for you, it’d be, I give people financial freedom through building whatever your pitch is, and then I’m looking for more people to have on my podcast. So if you know anybody, please let me know. Simple what you’re looking for as well, right? So at the end of my thing, I started saying, and?
Chris Hall (10:15.685)
Right.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (10:21.75)
I’m always looking for great investments. So if you know anybody who has a cool investment, whether it’s a small local business or a big real estate deal or anything, please show it to me. So I just started saying that, you know, it’s like, it’s so simple. And to this day, I’ll get an email from someone who I met in an event three years ago and they’ll be like, I remember you said this, that you do this. Here’s a friend that’s looking to raise money for an app or a tech company or whatever it might be.
And so that just ballooned and then my wife and I were able to hear about a bunch of cool investments, meet a bunch of great people and go from there. So, you know, maybe the long answer to your question, but that’s kind of how we got into it was we started wanting to park money in different places and it took us to a fun route of really getting a lot of deal flow in front of us.
Chris Hall (11:15.758)
That’s really I mean, I think the take home message for that. If anybody is listening to this, the thing that you could take a home that’s like you can put it in the bank, it’s gold is the is the letting people know what you’re looking for. I think we all do a really good job of telling people what we do for living. But man, I mean, that is just that’s next level. Because like, once again, like, you know, I’m looking for sponsors for my charity event, I’m looking for
high net worth people who are unhappy with their advisor right now. I’m looking for people who, you know, are getting close to retirement. Like, we don’t spend enough time talking about the things we’re looking for. And I think so I think but again, like, never been part of BNI. BNI, have you ever been a part of those?
Barton Henderson, Esq. (11:46.606)
Thank
Barton Henderson, Esq. (11:54.606)
Mm-hmm.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (11:59.662)
Yeah, well, I’ve been, I’m a part of 12 local groups. So I’m a big, big membership guy. Yeah, that would be nice.
Chris Hall (12:05.38)
Yes. So that’s what I going say. I think they do a pretty good job of having you inside the group ask for like what you’re looking for. But like when you meet people out on the street or a Costco or wherever, like I don’t, we never, we never translate that, but I think it’s a phenomenal thing. So that’s really good. I appreciate that.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (12:21.602)
Yeah, and it can go across like so many areas of life, like you said, right? Charity you’re looking for. I’ll tell you, you did a good job of this, maybe consciously or subconsciously, but by reading your bio, you were telling me about, in the bio, your son and your daughter. And when you put out there that your daughter wants to go into cinema, I think, who do I know who we could connect for that? And so…
Chris Hall (12:47.951)
Yeah.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (12:48.01)
It’s as simple as even in your bio you could do it. And so it’s just telling people and everybody has something they’re looking for. Whether it’s, I wanna become a public speaker might be something. And maybe you’re not even a public speaker yet, but start telling people and guess what? In six months you’re gonna be because you keep telling people that you want it. love that. And I love that you put it in your bio, whether it was conscious or subconscious.
Chris Hall (12:51.898)
Right.
Chris Hall (13:11.206)
All right. That’s good.
Chris Hall (13:16.676)
Nice. Definitely just definitely subconscious in that respect, but I love that. Very cool. So with the promotional images and things like that, so you’ve been able to do the angel investing, how do you get involved in a copper mine in Colorado or not a copper silver mine?
Barton Henderson, Esq. (13:19.426)
Yeah.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (13:32.078)
Yeah, so another kind of example of telling people what you want and it eventually happening. I started a company which we kind of launched feverishly and sold within a two year period. One of the guys who I worked with a bunch in that company, he kept telling me about the mine that he owned and
Chris Hall (13:41.637)
Nillion.
Chris Hall (14:00.901)
Okay.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (14:01.292)
I mean, over a three year time, I cannot tell you how many times it was like, look, I really wanna get involved in this. I really wanna hear more. I wanna get involved. Let me invest. I kept saying it. And no, no, no, no, we don’t need money. We’re not raising money. Like literally, it’s like three years time of him saying, hey, you’re great. I wanna work with you more, but like, we just don’t need any money. finally, after…
three years he said, know what, we’re actually gonna do a small round, are you interested? I said, am I interested? You know, of course I’m interested. But it’s also one of those things too, where if I hadn’t asked him 10 times, who knows if he would have come back to me, know, versus other people. So we got involved, it’s really amazing, gold, rare earth metals, silver.
Chris Hall (14:43.366)
Right. Right.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (14:56.41)
And we’re all permitted, we’re all up and ready to run. We’re now in the process where we’re going through specific processing plants and things of that nature. But, you another example of an industry I never knew I’d be in, never knew this would come up in my life, but because I heard it and it piqued my interest and I kept telling him what I wanted, it ended up happening. So, you know, I’ve been out to the mine.
Chris Hall (15:19.608)
Nice.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (15:24.526)
Just so, the most fun investment I’ve ever been a part of. know, I it’s like 25 miles of underground tunnels and things of that. Just fascinating stuff. It’s a really amazing asset. They’ve got about $4 billion worth of assets over since 1908 when the mine was started and a $200 million processing plant. It’s unlike anything I’ve ever been involved with.
Chris Hall (15:28.004)
Yeah.
Chris Hall (15:33.348)
Wow.
Chris Hall (15:46.746)
Wow.
Chris Hall (15:52.89)
Yeah.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (15:52.974)
It’s a really, really fun thing. And to me, it’s about stretching, keeping learning and things like that. So now I’m learning about assays and medals and how things happen. So that’s cool too, you know?
Chris Hall (16:04.844)
So I’ll throw this out there since you said that we have to do this, right? I am interested in a thorium mine. So if you come across anything that has to do with thorium, please let me know. Do you know anything about thorium?
Barton Henderson, Esq. (16:12.62)
Okay, interesting.
Yeah. So I don’t personally, I can tell you that our mine is tested for about 39 of the 40 rare earth metals. So thorium could be in there. I could look at a report and connect you with our COO, you know.
Chris Hall (16:20.944)
Okay.
Chris Hall (16:27.376)
Yeah.
Hehehehe
Chris Hall (16:34.598)
So basically just a quick little side shot is that thorium, it can be used for nuclear reactors, whereas uranium is used. Uranium is very unstable. That’s why if you have a problem, there’s a meltdown. So thorium can achieve the same result without the instability. there’s, there’s going to be some mining of thorium here pretty soon. It’s still going to take 20 or 30 years.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (16:56.92)
Yes. Right.
Chris Hall (17:00.176)
But once they figure out the reaction of that and how they can turn that into energy, because right now they’re, I don’t know if you know, but they’re working on small nuclear reactors. Yeah, so that’s something that they’re trying to do, but we’re still gonna end up with regulation because that’s just the society we live in in America, very legal oriented. And so it’s the not in my backyard stuff, but thorium doesn’t have that instability. And so I feel like over time, that’s gonna take over.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (17:03.064)
Yep.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (17:09.538)
Yep, totally.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (17:20.003)
Of course.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (17:25.315)
Yeah.
Chris Hall (17:28.088)
anything that has to do with uranium nuclear. So anyway, this is just little tidbit. So if you run across thorium mines, let me know.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (17:31.266)
Yeah, it’s interesting. saw, I didn’t know that’s what it was called, but I did read an article, I think, that China’s kind of going full bore on those types of reactors. And great chapter in, there’s a book, The Holy Grail of Investing. It’s one of Tony Robbins books. And he does a full chapter on, I forget the term, it’s a three-letter term of kind of small nuclear reactors where, know.
Chris Hall (17:52.552)
okay.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (18:00.184)
They’re gonna be like a regular trailer, which you just get out there and there’s a great chapter on it. And great book in general to read. They talk a lot about sports investing, alternative investing and things like that. It’s called the Holy Grail of investing, I think. Yeah, yep.
Chris Hall (18:13.51)
And Tony Robbins He’s not he’s awesome. He’s I just was listening to him on the all-in podcasts Just I mean here we are 40 years later. The guy’s still just amazing. He’s got such great energy
Barton Henderson, Esq. (18:18.83)
Peace.
Okay. Yep.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (18:27.564)
Yep, totally. you know, for people who don’t know anything about finance, I always tell them, gosh, what’s the name of his first finance book? He’s got the best introductory book on finance. I can’t recall the name of the first one he wrote, but it just teaches people the nuts and bolts, you know? So yeah, it’s Money Master the Game. It’s called Money Master the Game. Yeah, that’s a good one. Yeah, yep.
Chris Hall (18:47.237)
I have to look that up.
Chris Hall (18:53.816)
Okay, cool. We’ll put a link in the bio on that. We’ll put the link in the description so that people can go check that out too. And I’m gonna look at it. I’ve got so many books right now. I think I’ve got like six books in my audible queue and I’ve got like seven or eight books stacked up. So the good news about traveling so much, I’ve been traveling a lot with my son, but the good news about traveling so much is that I’ve actually been able to knock out a few books. So that’s been good.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (19:01.486)
Cool, love it, great. Yeah, yeah.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (19:08.526)
Yeah.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (19:14.926)
Mm-hmm.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (19:19.298)
Yeah, it’s awesome. That’s great. I’m a big reader myself. So my sons are two and three and now my three year old, he kind of doesn’t like going to sleep unless you’re in the room sometimes. And so I’ve been reading more than ever by just being in the room reading, you know?
Chris Hall (19:24.23)
See you soon.
Chris Hall (19:35.972)
Nice. That’s cool. I like that. Tell me a little bit about your men’s group and like what that means to you and how you started with it.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (19:37.966)
that’s a lot of fun.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (19:45.25)
Yes, so my men’s network, it’s called AgoraGuild, agoragild.com. So what we do is we take men and elevate them in all areas of life. Family, fitness, finance, faith, whatever it might be. And so like we talked about earlier, you said something about the tip or BNI, I think. You know, there’s lots of business groups out there, but there’s very few groups that just focus on growth in general.
And so about two and a half years ago, me and five other friends got together in one of my conference rooms here. And we said, hey, we’re going to meet every week to see what we can do to elevate, right? So we started meeting and these guys just had massive breakthroughs. mean, one of them lost 30 pounds. Another one who hadn’t talked to his siblings for years started talking to his siblings again.
somebody who had some serious relationship issues started completely fixing them and has since fixed everything. A couple other really great but private breakthroughs I can’t share. A guy tripled his business, but really just like awesome stuff happened just because it was a group of guys getting together, right? And so one of the guys came to me and was like Bart, can’t keep this under wraps anymore. Like you gotta grow this. And I was like, look,
The last thing I need is another business. I do not need to grow this. This is great. It’s working. Let’s just keep doing what we’re doing. And so he was like, yeah, but don’t you like, don’t you love doing this? And I was like, huh, that’s interesting. Yeah. I mean, this is, this is totally something I love. So he kind of convinced me to say, let’s do one other pod. We did one other pod and we opened it up just about a year ago today to the public right around this time.
Chris Hall (21:16.108)
Thank
Barton Henderson, Esq. (21:43.63)
And we now grew from six guys to almost 70 or so guys just in one year. And it’s really, you know, the key is surrounding yourself with other driven like-minded men. And so it’s, if you surround yourself with people who wanna push you, who want you to get better, then it’s inevitable, you’re gonna get better, right? It’s like the standards of your peer group,
are the standards of who you become, right? And so it just really was a game changer. think a lot of guys, the vast majority of men out there, our friends are our friends because of proximity. Like maybe, I don’t know what your best friends look like, but for me, a lot of them were, well, I grew up a couple houses down from them, or I went to high school with them, or.
Chris Hall (22:15.94)
Right. Right.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (22:39.822)
You know, they were in my college dorm or whatever it might have been. It’s just because you happen to be plopped near that person, that’s your friend group for the rest of your life, right? And so it dawned on me, I was like, well, some of my friends aren’t the kind of guys who are gonna push me to get to where I wanna get in certain areas of life, right? And it’s not all business, like I said. It’s faith, fitness, family, it’s everything. Because we believe that once you get that energy right, whether it’s in…
fitness, or you get your finances right, or everything else gets better. And so it was just kind of like a light bulb going off, like, wow, I surrounded myself with these guys who weren’t in my immediate friend circle. were kind of, some of them were, one of them was a friend for 25 years, but some of them were people I had just met that year that I said, hey, this is the kind of person I want to be around, you know? And it just launches this mentality. The way I say it to people is,
Chris Hall (23:14.726)
Bye.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (23:39.864)
You know, lot of us are in lazy rivers in life. Like it’s the kind of analogy I use. So if you’re going to the bar every Friday with your friends, drinking beers, just cause that’s what you do, then that’s fine. And that’s okay. And life can be fun like that. If every weekend, all you’re doing is watching the games with friends and drinking and eating Doritos, like then okay. Like life is fine like that. You’re in the lazy river and things can be…
okay in the lazy river, like nothing’s wrong. If you miss a gym workout, nobody’s gonna say anything. If you’re not eating healthy, nobody’s gonna say anything. And it’s fine, life is good in the lazy river. Like until you realize that there’s another river out there. And that river is guys who are achieving at really high levels in everything. And so instead of just sitting in the raft with the beer, now you’re in one of those like…
Chris Hall (24:13.972)
Thank
Barton Henderson, Esq. (24:36.568)
you one of those boats you’ve seen a zodiac boat or whatever they call it, where you’ve got a row in those rapids just to survive. So it’s you and other guys in the boat. And if you don’t pull your row in, you’re getting kicked out of the boat. And so, you know, in that river, it’s not like, know, you missed a workout. In that river, there’s guys who own five businesses who are still going to the gym two times a day. And you’re like, wait a second, I’m not making it to the gym once a day.
this guy owns five businesses and he’s going twice a day? Shit, man, I’ve gotta, I gotta do something here, you know? And so it’s just about kind of surrounding yourself with guys like that and kind of having different mentality. So we started cultivating that kind of culture. We have a WhatsApp, which is, we have a health WhatsApp, we have a wake up WhatsApp, we’re early risers, we have.
Chris Hall (25:09.996)
Right, right, right.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (25:32.578)
different groups for everything, fatherhood, technology, all sorts of things. So we have the WhatsApp, we meet once a week on Zoom, for those who can. We have in-person events where we race Ferraris or we go rock climbing or we’ll go paintballing or skeet shooting or whatever it might be. Doing things that you don’t do as a father as you get older or as a guy when you get older, trying to have fun. So.
Chris Hall (25:59.783)
Yep.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (25:59.842)
That’s really where I found passion and said, you know, I’ve got to dive in on this because it’s something I love doing essentially.
Chris Hall (26:08.15)
I think that’s really cool. Like, you know, my kids are pretty grown right now. But the one thing that I noticed, like when you’re younger, like you cannot take like six hours out of your day to go golf. Like it’s just if you’re working full time, and then to take six hours on a Saturday and go golfing. Like it’s just not it’s not good, but you still need that. That bonding you need that. This is I do everything for everyone else. This is for me. You know, I mean, you need that in your life. Because otherwise you do you lose your spark and
Barton Henderson, Esq. (26:29.454)
Only.
Absolutely.
Chris Hall (26:38.072)
And so I like the idea of like other men in your life that are like, Hey, let’s go do something crazy this week. Let’s go race Ferraris. mean, that’s pretty awesome. So, I mean, so I think that’s a really cool idea.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (26:45.676)
Yeah, yeah. And it’s not always like, it’s fun to watch football on Sundays. Like don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying that’s not the thing to do. It’s just if that’s the only thing you’re doing, you know what I mean? Like it’s also fun to, like you said, go, you know, brace Ferraris or go do this or whatever. So it’s just about saying like, hey, how can we set the tone different and also do other cool things that are out of the ordinary, you know?
Chris Hall (26:57.722)
Thanks, man.
Chris Hall (27:13.062)
you guys put in like parameters like, in other words, like, do you do kind of tell people like, we would like we want you to work out once a day, we want you to work out, we want you to eat, you know, healthy, we want to like, do you have parameters of mon or is it just sort of a generalized like, hey, let’s all just kind of like row in the boat together.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (27:29.484)
Yeah, so we start the first two meetings for anyone coming in. We do a free month trial that we let people who are good fit, anybody’s a good fit, we do a free month for. And those first two meetings are, have what’s called our wildest dream session and our goal planning session. And so those are usually with three to 10 other guys. And in those, you see and hear things that other guys are doing and…
you take bits and pieces from other men of like, I should be working out three days a week or I should be working out five days a week or whatever. And so we have pillars and the goal is in the wheel of life and the pillars to try to get each of those pillars up. You can’t have all the pillars at 10. I think it’s impossible, I don’t know. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong one day. But you know.
Chris Hall (28:24.984)
Yeah, maybe aliens like Elon Musk can do it. Maybe.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (28:27.98)
Yeah. But, but even then, are you getting enough relaxation in and are you getting, you know, like it’s so, so it’s tough. But by that, you see other men’s expectations and we say like, all right, how’s everybody doing here? And so once a quarter, we’ll look at our wheel of life. We’ll look at things like that and we’ll say, what are you doing to get better, you know, in those, but we don’t say everyone’s got to work out five days a week or everyone’s got to, you know, whatever. But I will tell you,
A lot of guys, even who joined the group who never worked out before, I think everybody in the group is working out now. And it’s just kind of like a thing that when you hear people doing it, you kind of do it, essentially. That kind of a thing.
Chris Hall (29:14.534)
I started going to a business coach last year and the first thing that he did with me is I got divorced like about three, three and a half years ago. And the first thing he did with me is start working on my relationships. know, like just trying to get that part of my life sort of dialed in. And because was, if it’s not dialed in, it’s a distraction, right?
Barton Henderson, Esq. (29:16.536)
Mm-hmm.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (29:23.96)
Mm-hmm.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (29:36.77)
and
Chris Hall (29:37.558)
And you know, that’s and that’s part of it too is like and so the second thing we started working on once once the relationship side of things started like feeling like I at least was heading the right direction Knew what I was looking for knew where I was going with it But the second thing we started doing is like he’s like you got to go to the gym and i’m like, okay Well, I go to the gym with my son. It’s like well my son’s now What’s that?
Barton Henderson, Esq. (29:54.402)
When are we going to start business? You’re like, when are we going to start talking about business?
Chris Hall (30:00.87)
Right, exactly. Yeah. So again, like, so I ended up, I ended up hiring a trainer. And it’s like, all of sudden, I have all these things, it’s like, and none of it’s really about business, like you’re saying, but, it’s because those things, again, healthy wealth is the idea is like, you can’t really truly be successful and wealthy. If you can’t like, enjoy it, and you can’t like, even like, I know people that can’t bend their down to tie their shoes. But they have all the money in the world. It’s like, well, that’s not I mean, dude, go to the gym, like, you know, I mean, like, I’m not perfect, but I can tie my shoes.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (30:30.914)
Yeah, Chris, you just hit on something that I’ve been struggling with for the last year almost. we have a lot of guys who have been super successful, sold companies for multi-multi-millions, and they said like, hey, let’s start an elite group within Agoragil. And I always say, all right, well, who’s an elite group? Tell me. Like, give me your perspective. What’s an elite person in Agoragil? And the name, you
Chris Hall (30:31.77)
So.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (30:54.626)
five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10 guys. And I’ll go, okay, you’re talking about the rich guys. Like you’re talking about all the guys who are super financially successful. And they’ll be like, well, and I’ll go, look, that guy, he has a really hard marriage that weighs him down quite a bit. And oftentimes talks about that. That guy is totally out of shape and has had a lot of health issues because of it.
Chris Hall (31:00.442)
Ha ha ha!
Barton Henderson, Esq. (31:20.814)
You know, this person’s having issues with this. does it make them elite just because they’re wealthy? Absolutely not, because there are guys in the group who are not as financially wealthy, but just have, they love their kids and find a great relationship and they love their work and like, you know, it’s a cliche, but like, I’ll take that every day over a guy who’s totally not happy, right? And so that’s the thing we’ve struggled with is how do we have that, you know?
Chris Hall (31:45.744)
Right.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (31:50.094)
We’re gonna call it the inner circle, but like what do we do to make sure people get in there? And it’s gonna be something like what you talked about, which is how many days a week are you working out? How many days a week are you doing? You know, it’s gonna be more all-encompassing when we eventually do that than just a financial thing, which is what most groups do, which is if you’re a 10 million net worth or whatever, then you can be in the leak group, you know? So, and I really think it’s gotta be more centered on well-roundedness, essentially.
Chris Hall (32:19.684)
So are you growing the group fairly internally at this point? I know you said you let people that fit in, they can get a 30 days for free, but are you like, is it something where people can go and sign up because they heard this podcast or is most of your growth from the other guys who are benefiting from it?
Barton Henderson, Esq. (32:28.27)
Mm-hmm.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (32:33.367)
Mm-hmm.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (32:37.078)
So it was most of the guys that are benefited from it. We’re now totally opening up to the public. We have the, so the 30 day free trial is a two way trial. So the way that we do it is if they seem like a good fit, we’ll leave them 30 days free to see if they’re a good fit for the group and vice versa. So we’re seeing if they’re like-minded. So the number one thing that’s gonna make somebody a good fit for our group, if I had to really,
Chris Hall (32:42.896)
Thank you.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (33:06.446)
hone in on one thing would be open-mindedness and then growth mindset would be the second thing. And by open-mindedness, mean, you know, if you’re someone who’s a crazy left liberal Democrat who can’t hear about anything from Republican, then you’re not gonna fit in. If you’re a crazy right Republican who can’t hear anything from Democrats, you’re not gonna fit in. Like if you can’t totally talk to everybody about everything and hear both sides, not that we’re like,
debating politics, because it doesn’t happen very often. But it’s people who are open-minded that will hear both sides. So people who get offended, I mean, this is the kind of group where today, I just saw it in one of the messages today, someone was like, yo dude, get your shit together and go to the gym. Like, what’s wrong? You haven’t been there in two weeks. And if you can’t handle that, then it’s not the right group for some people. And some people aren’t wired like that, you know?
Chris Hall (34:00.336)
That’s it. everybody.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (34:05.518)
So it’s about finding people who are good fit in that mentality. But yeah, we are open to the public now and we do that 30 day free trial to see if they’re a good fit for the group and vice versa. So first two meetings are those and then by the third meeting they go into the general public of our group to see if it’s a good fit. And then we’ll say after 30 days, like, hey, you’re invited to join.
Chris Hall (34:29.694)
I mean, it makes sense to like that people there are a lot of joiners out there, people who want to join and get into something because it sounds like a cool group. Like, I mean, it sounds like great group. Why wouldn’t you want to be part of it? Right. But then they get in and they don’t want to do anything. You know what mean? They don’t want to like participate. They don’t like said they don’t want to listen. Yeah.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (34:35.374)
Yeah.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (34:42.05)
Yeah, yep. You know, the one thing we found is it’s, it’s participation is really different for different people. And that’s, you know, in the beginning of the group kind of drove me a little bonkers because I wasn’t sure how to make it work for everybody. You know, some guys are at every single weekly zoom because you get a lot out of learning from other men on these weekly zooms. Other guys,
have their sales meetings around the same time or whatever, they are gonna be active in the WhatsApp group. Other guys just love being at the in-person events we have every month or two. Like what I’ve learned is interaction can be very different for different people based on what they see as valuable. Some guys just want the ability to drop in the WhatsApp, hey, looking for the best organic protein thing, boom, and the guys all, this is what we like, you know, and we debate.
Chris Hall (35:39.302)
Thank you.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (35:39.662)
We’re always debating about health. But the interactivity is different. We also have a one-on-one meeting feature where once a month you get paired up with a video meeting with another guy just to get to know them. So we have all sorts of ways to engage, but the thing that I didn’t realize in the beginning is everyone engages differently. There’s guys who I think, they’re not doing anything, they’re not coming to the meetings.
Chris Hall (35:42.608)
Thank you.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (36:05.868)
and I’ll talk to them and they’ll be like, this person said this in the WhatsApp and this in the WhatsApp and that in the WhatsApp. And it’s so interesting because they’re never posting in the WhatsApp, but they’re reading all the messages, you know? So it’s like different people get value out of different things I said.
Chris Hall (36:21.624)
I love that. I love that. So, building the group, what’s kind of next for you? Is it just building the group up, getting it to like 60,000 members or what do think?
Barton Henderson, Esq. (36:34.434)
Yeah, yeah, mean that, know, the things that have come out of this now are what lights me up more than anything. Like we have one guy who lost 75 pounds and you know, even someone, right? Even someone losing 20 pounds, it’s like, cause I’m a, I consider myself a health fanatic. I read health books constantly. Even someone losing 20 pounds, what that can do for their cardiovascular health, what that can do for their…
Chris Hall (36:47.398)
incredible.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (37:04.142)
brain health, like they could live another eight years, you know? And so like hearing someone say that, that juices me up. know, hearing someone say their testosterone levels were garbage and now they’ve done the test and they’ve done what they can to fix it, like I know how far that’s gonna go. Hearing somebody say they’re doing a date night with their wife every week when they haven’t done date nights in the past two years, like this stuff lights me up. And so, you know, we go through seasons and cycles of life.
I will tell you, I’m very much so fulfilled in helping people hit these things in life. So this is what I see myself doing for the foreseeable future. You know, until who knows, maybe something with my kids derails me and I wanna go do something that helps them more. But really, this is what I see myself doing for the-
Chris Hall (37:44.378)
Yeah.
Chris Hall (37:51.738)
So good.
Chris Hall (37:58.843)
What do you do for fun? What’s your activity? Golf or tennis or what?
Barton Henderson, Esq. (38:03.426)
so I play a lot of racquetball now. racquetball, yeah, do a lot of racquetball, as far as fun, family time is really the name of the game for me right now. So it’s, we’re really, I have a two and a three year old, right? And so I’m, really in it in that respect and I don’t want to wake up and blink and have that disappear. And so, you know, I have a lot of fun just playing with the kids like tonight.
Chris Hall (38:06.842)
so nice.
Chris Hall (38:15.206)
sure.
Chris Hall (38:22.32)
Hehehe.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (38:31.854)
I’ll go home, we’ll take the kids to the park. I take them to the park every night if it’s sunny out, pretty much, or nice out. So really family time’s name of the game, but you know, boating, racquetball, and that’s another thing. People are always like, let’s go get a drink. I’m always like, meet me at the gym at 5 a.m. We’ll play racquetball. And some people are like, you’re a nut. But they come do it. And so, you know, sometimes 2 p.m. It doesn’t have to be 5 a.m., 6.45 a.m. But you know, I play a lot of racquetball.
Chris Hall (38:33.979)
Thank you.
Chris Hall (38:52.496)
Ha ha ha!
Barton Henderson, Esq. (39:01.342)
Work out together with people. You know, and do these other things too. I’ve got a big schedule on my wall over here of, you know, we’ve got paintball coming up in the men’s group. We’ve got skeet shooting coming up. Like all these fun activities too. So there’s no shortage of fun, but it’s not the fun that my friends would have expected 10 years ago. You know, it’s just not, it’s a different tone.
Chris Hall (39:26.438)
That’s awesome. I love that. Well, so is there anything else that you would like to talk about before we end today’s session?
Barton Henderson, Esq. (39:28.29)
Yeah,
Barton Henderson, Esq. (39:34.19)
No, mean, it’s been great catching up. Love seeing the different guests and the different perspectives that you have coming on here. I’d love to come back at some point and dive into health. Health is really, health is really.
Chris Hall (39:50.617)
we have some time today if you want to talk a little bit more about that. I don’t know. You had a hard stop coming up, but…
Barton Henderson, Esq. (39:54.926)
yeah. Yeah, I mean, sure. Let’s dive in. I’ll try to keep it five or 10 minutes. Yeah. Yeah.
Chris Hall (40:03.59)
And we can always have you back too. you know, if we don’t get in what we want to get in, can have you back too. That’s great. I love that.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (40:11.662)
Yes, so I think like your business coach, I love hearing that your business coach did that, right? Relationships and then health and then you go into business. I really believe that everything comes from the amount of energy that you have in life and the energy comes from health, right? And so for the last couple years when men would come in and they say, look, I’m 30 pounds overweight. What do I do? What do I want to do?
I would kind of go to the typical thing, like years ago, where it’d be like, well, obviously eat healthy, know, what’s eating healthy is a whole nother debate, but eat healthy, right? Eating healthy, and then exercise. Now, I live my life by the numbers as far as health goes. So like, I have rules and I hit those rules no matter what. And like, you know, an example would be,
Chris Hall (40:50.662)
That’s a question.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (41:10.542)
and I won’t go through all of them, but I’ve developed these over time. An example would be, I will only have processed sugar one time a month, right? And that’s a rule because to just say you’re gonna eat healthy means nothing. mean, ask a friend of yours who’s going on a diet and they say, I’m gonna eat healthy, say, what does that mean? And they’ll be like, I guess like have more salads, right? Like that’s all they can kind of formulate. And so if you don’t have a rule,
Like this isn’t one of my rules, but maybe a rule would be I’ll only have high glycemic carbs, meaning bread, you know, three days a week or two days a week. Like you need rules, otherwise none of it means anything. And so my rules are like, I will work out five days a week no matter what. Sky is falling, I’m traveling four days that week, I’m working out no matter what, five days a week. You know, sugar once a month. No microplastics. And so there’s certain…
There’s certain rules that I will abide by in certain ways. But point.
Chris Hall (42:15.526)
Do have like a protein goal? Do you like the protein goal? know that’s kind of really like everybody’s talking about you got to get your protein in it’s got to be prioritized. Is that one of yours?
Barton Henderson, Esq. (42:18.668)
I, yeah.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (42:23.456)
So protein, I’ll tell you the thing that I think is really rough about protein in our society is I don’t know a real number, but I would say 95 % or more people are just eating the most garbage protein shakes. I mean, they’re not even food. And so they go to vitamin shop or GMC or whatever the heck these…
Chris Hall (42:26.31)
Okay.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (42:50.786)
kind of mass things are and they’ll get whatever the biggest on sale thing is. Not to say you can’t find good things at Vitamin Shop or GMC, but you know, the on sale thing or whatever it might be. Yeah. Yeah.
Chris Hall (43:01.734)
They’re selling it all there. They’re selling it all. They’re selling the good stuff, but they’re selling the straight out of China garbage too.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (43:07.574)
Right, and so there’s, you know, beyond glyphosate and beyond the sugar, I mean, the amount of sugar in some of these is just like, and the amount of seed oils, like, and people are drinking this every day being they’re healthy. I’ll give you two examples quickly, because you brought a protein of a funny intake I had with some people that were joining Agora who wanted to get healthier. I said,
Chris Hall (43:17.21)
Thank you for watching.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (43:34.094)
Well, what kind of they said, you know, what do you eat first thing in the morning protein shake? Okay, great. What kind of protein shake and I’m thinking They give me that the brand like Earth’s balance or I don’t know whatever brand two of them out of the you know, 30 or so guys I’ve had this conversation with said one of them said Oreo cookie dough and another said fruity pebbles I said, whoa, what you’re talking about the flavor and They said yeah, I said you think that Oreo cookie dough flavor
Is a healthy protein shake? Like, well, yeah, it’s a protein shake. Like, I was like, man. So, when it comes to health, yeah, there you go. So when it comes to health, I used to say, eat healthy. I used to say, work out. Like this was the kind of things I would do sequentially and I had a system. I now start with something totally different, which is,
Chris Hall (44:06.885)
Ha
Chris Hall (44:13.54)
Yeah, and a Snickers bar is a protein bar, by the way.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (44:33.966)
I think it’s now more important to get toxins out of your everyday life than it is to start by eating healthy and exercising and things like that. And so don’t get me wrong, exercise probably has the number one bang for the buck as far as getting healthy goes. But society, I look at it and it’s hard for me to understand how we even got here, but on an everyday basis,
we’re being exposed to like 20, 60, maybe even 80,000 chemicals. so there’s a couple like real introductory things that I like to run people through. It’s eating organic, getting rid of phthalates, getting rid of microplastics, things like this. And so to quickly run you down that it’s…
know, 85 % of food in America has glyphosate on it. Glyphosate is a pesticide herbicide. It’s the number one pesticide herbicide in the world. And it’s proven carcinogenic. So I don’t know if you’ve heard of the Roundup cases that they did, you know, the $10 billion Roundup cases. So this is the thing that really woke me up to health, which just blew my mind.
You know, people say, all organic food is not really organic, right? Because it still has some chemicals, right? There’s debate, we could talk about that. But if it’s certified USD organic, at least it doesn’t have glyphosate on it. We know that that’s something that’s not allowed. And so just that alone is worth people eating organic. Because the neurodegenerative things that this does, I mean, you know, they had to pay $10 billion in a lawsuit that shows it was carcinogenic.
Chris Hall (46:14.779)
Right.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (46:30.348)
likely carcinogenic, neurodegenerative, all these things. And it’s still allowed on all our food in America. And so the point is, I used to think, law school, working in the Senate, I’ve worked for congressmen, I’ve worked for also, I used to think the government was protecting us from things like this. And it just turns out glyphosate is still the number one thing on food. so essentially, yeah.
Chris Hall (46:49.222)
Thank
Barton Henderson, Esq. (46:56.962)
you wanna defend your body and things like that from glyphosate, from Paraquat. Paraquat’s made in China, totally illegal in China. Illegal in most European countries. Where do they import it to? The U.S., right? And so by first just getting organic, a lot of things become healthier, right? So first thing is trying to go organic. And again, there’s gonna be debate. I heard they still use pesticides. Yes, there are still, you know.
Chris Hall (47:02.438)
All right.
Chris Hall (47:10.224)
Right.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (47:26.582)
Organic fungicides and other types of pesticides, but at least you’re not getting glyphosate. You’re not getting certain really bad things like that Then you go down to you know seed oils you look at seed oils it’s in everything that that would be the last step I’d say anybody should do is try to get rid of seed oils because man, there’s seed oil in everything
Chris Hall (47:31.91)
Bye.
Chris Hall (47:48.519)
I mean, like you just look at ranch dressing, right? You’re like ranch dressing. That’s that’s got to be that’s got to be good for you, right? So they got a few ingredients like the number one ingredient is soybean oil. It’s like, are you really like, why do need to put oil in ranch dressing? Because it’s cheap. It’s super cheap. Yeah, that I’m really like a very big fan of getting rid of all these chemicals that are illegal everywhere but America. I’m a huge fan of it.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (47:50.659)
Yeah!
Barton Henderson, Esq. (47:57.432)
Boom. Yep, exactly. Yeah.
Right. Yep. Exactly.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (48:12.568)
Yeah.
Chris Hall (48:14.318)
you know, they they basically talk about organic foods having glyphosate in it because it’s so in it’s so ingrained in our soil and it’s in everything that we have so like even like, you know exhaust coming off of a A diesel truck seems to have glyphosate in it because it’s just everywhere So yeah, so that’s that’s if they take if they take glyphosate out, that would be such a great thing and again, you know, switching back from seed oils to like beef tallow
Barton Henderson, Esq. (48:21.762)
Right. Yep.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (48:29.848)
Right. Yeah. Totally. You’re right.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (48:42.488)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Hall (48:42.628)
I mean, would just be, those two things alone would just save millions of lives.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (48:46.284)
It would change everything, right? We’re gonna see, know, it’s hard to ever tie the direct damage to seed oils to seed oils, because you’re doing so many other things throughout the centuries. But, you know, every cell in your body is made from cholesterol, and they’re finding that these seed oils are getting into the cell membranes and, you know, dysregulating and messing up the way your cell membranes work, and nevermind the way they’re made.
So, you know, again, I don’t wanna go down the rabbit hole, but going organic, seed oils, microplastics is the same thing. You know, the average to-go coffee cup someone grabs will have 12 billion microplastics in it. Then you look at water bottles, because they’re in transit, they’re getting hot. You know, so if you’re out, just get like, if you wanna reduce a little, get an iced coffee instead of a hot coffee. know, simple, like, it’s about small things to start, you know? And then sugar, I mean,
Chris Hall (49:17.574)
Shit.
Chris Hall (49:40.08)
Bye.
Right.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (49:45.72)
There’s more studies coming out every day about what sugar does to the body. mean, a lot of doctors that are really with it are calling Alzheimer’s diabetes three, right? I mean, what’s, right? And then you got what, like what’s sugar in the eye, glaucoma, know, sugar in the blood, diabetes, like there’s different, all these things, we name it, but it’s sugar. And so it’s just about being knowledgeable about what you’re putting in your body in that respect, you know?
Chris Hall (49:55.975)
Yep, type 3 diabetes. Yep, that’s right.
Chris Hall (50:08.047)
Is it?
Chris Hall (50:13.062)
Yeah, I was a pharmaceutical rep for 10 years. actually worked for Pfizer. I’m yuck, right? But I mean, we sold cholesterol medication, diabetes medication, we had all these different medications and I represented quite a few of them, including Viagra, which was always a fun drug to sell. But, you know, I continued the process of learning as I went along and, know, and there’s so much data that suggests that, you know, cholesterol…
Barton Henderson, Esq. (50:15.175)
wow. wow. man.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (50:28.078)
Yeah. Right.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (50:35.725)
Yeah.
Chris Hall (50:40.806)
has always been sort of the bad guy. That’s why statins are a multi-billion dollar industry. But like the more you look at it, you realize it’s not even the cholesterol. It’s triglycerides, which triglycerides is a fancy way of saying sugar. So like if you can take sugar out of the system, like you have people with 400 LDLs that are doing just fine. It’s the sugar that causes the inflammation. I am not a doctor. I did stay at a holiday express. But you can see that if you have
Barton Henderson, Esq. (50:44.29)
Right. Yep.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (50:49.87)
Right. Yep.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (51:04.28)
Yep.
Yeah.
Chris Hall (51:10.606)
sugar in your system, you have a much more inflammatory body. then the cholesterol is going to go to your vasculature, which is inflamed, same as if you were smoking cigarettes. It’s going to go there. It’s going to try to smooth that out. So if you can reduce your inflammation, you can basically have kind of whatever cholesterol you want. So again, we’ve been, for 50 years, we’ve been trying to get people to go low fat, low cholesterol, when we basically just say sugar is poison. It is. What’s the difference?
Barton Henderson, Esq. (51:23.608)
Mm-hmm.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (51:35.33)
Right.
Right, right.
Chris Hall (51:40.263)
between medicine and poison is typically dose, right? So like you had said yourself, I allow myself to have sugar once a month. Like that’s, that’s that for most people like there, they would say I allow myself to have sugar once a day would still be limiting their intake. They would still be limiting their intake. So so yeah, we can if we can walk away from seed oil, sugar. And then what was the other one you mentioned?
Barton Henderson, Esq. (51:43.118)
You
Barton Henderson, Esq. (51:46.776)
Mm-hmm.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (51:52.514)
Yeah. Right. Yep. Totally.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (52:01.326)
Microplastics, know, glyphosate. definitely. Chris, I love you bringing attention to that conversation. It’s like, God, I can’t think of the term, but like something that you can’t even touch, like something you can’t even talk about oftentimes in the medical industry.
Chris Hall (52:05.74)
Yeah, yeah, I mean if you can walk away from those things, organic food, organic food. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, huge differences.
Chris Hall (52:16.656)
Yeah.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (52:28.782)
You’re so on the money there. So you look at all those things we just talked about. If you look at the study that came out from the, I think it was the British Medical Journal, they’re seeing that people under 50 are getting cancer 78 % more likely. Like.
in the last 20 years or whatever the number was. And so like, obviously it’s all these things we’re talking about. Cause people say, well, my, you know, my grandma didn’t eat organic food. you know, well, your grandma had organic food. She didn’t need certified organic food, right? Right. And so they didn’t have, I mean, if you eat sugar, the average American will eat in one day what people used to eat in a year’s time, 200 years ago, right? And so to your point about cholesterol, which is, mean,
Chris Hall (52:57.902)
Alright, it wasn’t labeled.
Chris Hall (53:09.851)
Yeah.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (53:14.712)
We don’t have enough time right now, but that’s a topic I love diving into. I mean, I can’t agree with you more. Ansel Keys, he threw us all off and made us think it was the fat instead of the sugar. And the thing that people should really be cognizant about when it comes to cholesterol is relative risk reduction versus actual risk reduction, right? And so it’s like…
Chris Hall (53:17.68)
Yeah.
Chris Hall (53:41.232)
Perfect. I could have said that better.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (53:43.63)
It’s so scary because I have family members and I have people and again, we’re not getting medical advice right now. That’s very apparent. But it’s worth knowing and educating on what a doctor is actually saying. I can tell you a doctor said to my family member three or four weeks ago, literally, this is like a verbatim. She had said, well, I don’t really want to take a stab because I know it can affect this, inflammation, blah, blah, blah. She went down the line, right?
And the doctor said, statins are totally safe. I’ve been taking a statin for 20 years. To which my response to her when she told me this, cause she was like, it’s a good point, was you could do coke for 20 years. like that doesn’t, that doesn’t mean like anything. You can drink every day for 20 years. I know people that have, that doesn’t mean anything. Right? And so.
Chris Hall (54:31.024)
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Right.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (54:41.922)
You look at, and you really gotta parse it out, actual risk reduction versus relative risk reduction. So all these commercials for statins, most of them, I can’t say all, I think all of them, but most of them, they’re saying, that’s right, yeah, they’re saying your risk reduction for ASCVD, atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease, goes down.
Chris Hall (54:55.802)
Let’s go with all. Disclaimer, we don’t know for sure, but pretty much all.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (55:10.114)
by this percentage if you take this pill compared to other people. And so what that looks like is this is your risk reduction on death from a heart attack based on taking this pill. What else is the pill doing to you? Is it increasing your likelihood that your immune system will be down because you can’t battle cancer, right? Now that actual versus relative risk, the study that was done years ago,
like 30 years ago where they use this actual versus relative is the actual risk reduction for people was about 1.6 or 1.8%. So just imagine, if you’re taking a step, your actual risk reduction for ASCVD is like 1.6 to 1.8 % less likely. So one or two out of a hundred people will be less likely to have an ASCVD heart issue.
Chris Hall (55:50.309)
Alright.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (56:07.758)
Now they’ll go forward and tell you because it moved from, don’t know the exact number, 1.6 % to 3.8%, I think is what it was in the study, then you have a 50 % less likelihood of dying from a heart attack. That is a relative risk reduction, not an actual risk reduction. And so everyone goes, I’m 50 % less likely to die from a heart attack. No, no, no, you’re not. That is a relative risk reduction, not actual risk reduction.
So what happens is they take the statin and what happens from the statin is every single cell in your body, every cell from your toes to your hair is made from cholesterol. So now you’re taking a drug that inhibits your cell membrane being made from cholesterol. Cholesterol’s, we know that the best likelihood to survive cancer is 142 is the cholesterol number, is what they say for LDL, right? LDL-C rather.
So now you’re shooting it down. You’re messing with your immune system. You’re doing all sorts of things with inflammation. I mean, there’s a litany of things, but the point is statins, there’s a big story to tell there. And a lot of educated doctors and educated people who care about health are starting to talk about it. But it’s a shame. It’s a real shame that all they do is they look at a number, LDLC.
And they say, you’re not in that range. You gotta go on this drug that’s gonna affect multiple other things, including usually giving people arthritis in six years. It’s just a cascade. So I love.
Chris Hall (57:46.407)
And I think, and I think again, we could totally dig into this. I would love it. In fact, I want to get back on so we can do it again. and I do want to recognize that you did have a hard stop, but I do want to make like to anybody out there listening, like look up actual risk reduction. Okay. Because as I was leaving the pharmaceutical industry, that started to become a question that doctors started asking. And it is the numbers are, they’re shockingly low. So like you have a group of a hundred people.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (57:55.736)
Thank you.
Chris Hall (58:12.806)
That are on statin and you have a group of hundred people that are not on statin Okay, and the group of hundred people not on statin. It’s like four events the group of people that’s on statin It’s like three events. So it’s 33 percent 25 reduction, you know those kinds of things however, they Fennegle it but we’re talking about like One of the other things that’s interesting is called number needed to treat you have to treat like 200 people with a statin to save one event
Barton Henderson, Esq. (58:28.824)
Yeah.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (58:36.45)
Right. Yep. Yep.
Chris Hall (58:39.622)
So that means that 199 people are walking around on something that’s not actually benefiting them. So, so those are very interesting things. I just wanted to pile on a little bit because I think this topic is awesome. So, well, I do thank you for your time. I do want to respect your time. I’m definitely going to have you back on. Let’s go ahead and go to health thing next time. We’ll dig into a little bit because I mean, sugars, triglycerides, statins, that’s all like right in the wheelhouse of things I want to share with people. So.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (58:43.854)
Totally.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (58:48.129)
I love it. Chris, I love this. Great conversation. Yeah.
Chris Hall (59:08.752)
We’ll have you back on for that. Anything else you want to talk about before we go?
Barton Henderson, Esq. (59:12.334)
It was really, really great conversation. Love what you’re doing with the different topics on the podcast. And that you’re helping the community out and involved there. So looking forward to talking more.
Chris Hall (59:17.776)
Thanks.
Chris Hall (59:23.258)
Thank you. I appreciate you so much. appreciate your time. I can tell that we’re going to continue to talk for sure. So thank you everyone for listening. We’re going to put some links in the description as always so that you can get a hold of Barton and that you can join his group, Agora Guild. And we’ll have that all put in there for you. And of course, as always, if you have any questions for me, don’t hesitate to put them in the comments and I’m happy to answer them. So thank you all for your time. Have a great day. Thank you.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (59:28.718)
Thanks, Bill.
Barton Henderson, Esq. (59:48.93)
Have a good one.